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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2011, 09:31:57 AM »

3,000 people were there Saturday and Virgin Islands (singer from The Cops) played. And it was actually sunny. Good times! My sign was a big hit too.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2011, 09:53:35 AM »

Some of the guys from Smooth Sailing shot a bunch of video on Saturday and then edited it together with one of their songs. It's a pretty cool little overview.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZGUVwRYqthM
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2011, 05:03:15 PM »

In case anybody wants to know what the OCCUPY MOVEMENT actually wants

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2011, 09:41:53 PM »

That's way too long and has way too many issues tied up in it. They should have stopped after the fifth one.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2011, 03:29:34 PM »

I think some of those people down there need to take a break and reevaluate what they are there for.  The general assemblies are full of topics that are completely out of our control and totally of topic.

I have a few problems with what is happening down there on week nights.

1.  Some people created a group called the brown caucus to represent people of color who are occupying.  I get it, but I don't approve of it in this situation.  I talked to a few of them because this movement should not be divided like that, we are supposed to be standing as ONE, not further perpetuating racial division and alienating each other.  This movement isn't about race, sexual orientation/identification, age, geographic location, or anything else.  This is the first time that everybody is effected the same and if we start to divide into the same social groups that society already put us into, WE WILL DESTROY US FROM THE INSIDE.

2.  They voted on making "Occupy Seattle a COP FREE location to the best of their ability", this is absolutely ridiculous and brain dead to think that we have any influence on whether or not police are at OS.  They will keep coming no matter what and SOME OF THEM silently support us and are there to make sure everybody is safe.  Yes there are dick head cops prone to violence and with their own agendas, BUT so are some of the occupiers.  If I am sworn to maintain my peace and be non violent, I don't mind a police officer stepping in when somebody else begins acting that way.  I also believe that eventually the police will join us, they don't make enough money not to.  They voted this in with a super majority because, well hell, who doesn't love chanting "fuck the police".   A Large group then surrounded a police car and started singing the song "why can't we be friends"  and I told them it was because that the group just VOTED to not be their friends, and there was a collective "oh yeah....", fucking idiots.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2011, 12:02:00 PM »

Your first point is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Your second point is good.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2011, 12:56:54 PM »

I see his point. If a "Caucasian Caucus" were to form,most would leave the protest in disgust(hopefully). Racial division is racial division.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2011, 02:25:55 PM »

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In my idealistic opinion on Post racism life, all people will be seen as part of the HUMAN RACE together as one people, not divided by biological or physical attributes.  I believe that dividing by race is wrong when it is forced upon a group, and when groups do it to themselves.

I understand the History.  I know (a decent amount) of sociological theory on the subject.  I know that civil rights for people of color pretty much didn't exist until way too recently and racial stereotypes and hate still exist among all races, all over the world but how can you say that allowing division of a group of people by race and or being okay when they divide themselves IS OK but believing a group should have no reason to divide because every single person is seen as inherently equal to each other is not?

Isn't that the end result? complete and total equality for all people?

I know this goes directly against your sociological beliefs but how can dividing a group for ANY reason help it in the grand scheme of things?

Is it not a much more beautiful picture seeing white, brown, yellow, young, old, queer, straight, fat, skinny, homeless, college grads, cops, anarchists, democrats and republicans all standing together united for one incredibly important cause all over the world?

your thoughts?





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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2011, 06:34:35 PM »

Racism is still a valid concern. But,I don't think disgust with racism is limited to those who are being discriminated against. Even historically speaking,many in the Civil Rights Movement in the 50s and 60s were not those directly affected by segregation.
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« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2011, 08:41:35 AM »

Considering the overtly racist shit I have seen happening in many of the different Occupy X locations, I think that people of color would have to be crazy to NOT band together for protection and representation.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »

Being color blind is just a way white people can allow themselves to pat themselves on  the back for racial equality while allowing racism and inequality to fester and grow.
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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2011, 05:57:35 PM »

Yes. I find euphemisms to be MORE offensive then DIRECT racism. Sadly,most who are supposedly color blind like to use 15 words to express their prejudice or mistrust towards one who is not the same as them rather then use a blunt racist slur. I am not defending nazis by any means.But,guilty liberals(not leftists......there IS a enormous difference!!!!!)don't seem to want to eradicate racial profiling or inequality.Too many people in too many "movements" feel it is okay to justify closeted anti-semitism by claiming to be against Israeli foreign policy. While few sane people would REALLY support Ariel Sharon's bulldozing of settlements,there is a line between anti zionism and anti semitism which may cross at some demos. Lets not even start on the vile homophobic "humor" expressed by some in the community I am referring to .This being said,I am genuinely shocked to hear DIRECT racial prejudice expressed by anyone at the Occupy demos. While I don't believe most involved are especially open-minded or sincere,I don't think racial hatred is on anyones agenda.Sad to hear this.
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« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2011, 06:34:57 PM »

Being color blind is just a way white people can allow themselves to pat themselves on the back for racial equality while allowing racism and inequality to fester and grow.

I'm talking about standing together as a unified group filled with any kind of diversity you can name, fighting and dying for equality for everybody...because we are all humans who I believe inherently deserve the same freedoms and rights.  The only way in my opinion for this to even be possible is unification, not through separating into groups.  If a white person had came to the occupy seattle and said "Hey, everybody who isn't white needs to join the brown caucus and go stand over there while we do our white thing over here"  People would flip the fuck out, but if those groups decide to do it themselves it is OK by some double standard that I don't really agree with but I can understand and can respect because of our country's racist history.

You think me wanting complete equality for people regardless of their race is "the stupidest think you have ever heard" and probably racist because I don't follow the same path as you but is the end destination not the same?  Racial equality? 

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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2011, 07:03:21 PM »

I'm talking about standing together as a unified group filled with any kind of diversity you can name, fighting and dying for equality for everybody...because we are all humans who I believe inherently deserve the same freedoms and rights.  The only way in my opinion for this to even be possible is unification, not through separating into groups.  If a white person had came to the occupy seattle and said "Hey, everybody who isn't white needs to join the brown caucus and go stand over there while we do our white thing over here"  People would flip the fuck out, but if those groups decide to do it themselves it is OK by some double standard that I don't really agree with but I can understand and can respect because of our country's racist history.

You think me wanting complete equality for people regardless of their race is "the stupidest think you have ever heard" and probably racist because I don't follow the same path as you but is the end destination not the same?  Racial equality?
Racism is racism.That would be almost funny if a "Caucasian Caucus" were suggested to illustrate how bad this idea is. But,it would be horrifying if any of those at the demo joined it.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2011, 12:31:34 AM »

Racism is racism.That would be almost funny if a "Caucasian Caucus" were suggested to illustrate how bad this idea is. But,it would be horrifying if any of those at the demo joined it.

What is the definition of racism, though? Much of what Steve would call racism, I would call prejudice.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2011, 12:33:20 AM »

I see where you're coming from Steve, but here's what you're missing.

Protests like these are often seen as mainly white, mainly middle class, and mainly privledged. It's not true, but that's the way they're seen, especially by people of color. What the brown caucus is trying to do is let their own communities know that "this isn't just for them, it's for us too. We have a say here. Come down and say it."

It's not divisive, it's trying to be inclusive by speaking to a lot of people that feel they don't get a say at these things. It is, in fact, trying to get more people to come down and protest TOGETHER.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2011, 11:13:59 AM »

What is the definition of racism, though? Much of what Steve would call racism, I would call prejudice.
I suppose so. But,usually I think of NEGATIVE prejudice as a irrational distrust or disliking of a person or group based on their appearance(as in clothing or hairstyles),political beliefs,or something else which distinguishes a person from others,yet which is a CHOSEN value or appearance. Few people can wake up in the morning and choose to switch their race. Race hatred is something which myself and many others have a unique disgust for. Maybe the "brown caucus" is well-intended. But,it sounds kind of divisive and exclusionary to me. Hope I am mistaken.
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« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2011, 09:35:00 PM »

I see where you're coming from Steve, but here's what you're missing.

Protests like these are often seen as mainly white, mainly middle class, and mainly privledged. It's not true, but that's the way they're seen, especially by people of color. What the brown caucus is trying to do is let their own communities know that "this isn't just for them, it's for us too. We have a say here. Come down and say it."

It's not divisive, it's trying to be inclusive by speaking to a lot of people that feel they don't get a say at these things. It is, in fact, trying to get more people to come down and protest TOGETHER.

I'm all for being an ambassador for your people, but when it comes to the decision making and planning of events, everybody needs to come together and do it.
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Re: Occupy Seattle!
« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2011, 10:21:01 PM »

I'm all for being an ambassador for your people, but when it comes to the decision making and planning of events, everybody needs to come together and do it.

They obviously have no planning or decision making process that successfully works. Decisions during day overturned every night.
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« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2011, 12:01:56 AM »

I see where you're coming from Steve, but here's what you're missing.

Protests like these are often seen as mainly white, mainly middle class, and mainly privledged. It's not true, but that's the way they're seen, especially by people of color. What the brown caucus is trying to do is let their own communities know that "this isn't just for them, it's for us too. We have a say here. Come down and say it."

It's not divisive, it's trying to be inclusive by speaking to a lot of people that feel they don't get a say at these things. It is, in fact, trying to get more people to come down and protest TOGETHER.
They aren't primarily white,middle class,and trust funded? When did this happen? Most who I see at any end the Palestinian "occupation" demos or certain anti-Iraq war demos are/were EXACTLY this. Not saying it is good or bad.Just a observation.
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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2011, 03:17:02 PM »

Watch this video on Keith Olbermann's response to the Occupy Oakland police brutality http://youtu.be/Cm7kMoPyndc
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« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2011, 03:28:13 PM »

My last 2 podcasts have been "The Sounds of Occupy Seattle". www.punkrockpariah.com or on itunes: http://itunes.apple.com/mu/podcast/punk-rock-pariah-with-grendel/id448777825
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« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2011, 07:02:22 PM »

My first customer today bitched about our Occupy posters at work and said those people need to leave Westlake soon because for the love of god, the tree lighting ceremony is coming up. You can't take that away from good Christian people!
Then she proceeded to talk quietly about all the things she's getting her kids for xmas and didn't stop until I told her I never asked for xmas presents because I realize how financially difficult it was for my mom to provide for 2 kids on her own. Oh and here's your $9 of ice cream and thanks for not tipping.
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« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2011, 11:07:57 AM »

begging for tips is still begging just the same.
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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2011, 03:40:12 PM »

begging for tips is still begging just the same.
And not tipping is an asshole thing to do.
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